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For some reason I don't see where I posted about the recent work I've done on the Wikipedia project. I've written a sub-page that I need everyone who's interested to review and give me feedback on.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Larry442010/Dieselpunk

I need feedback such as grammar and spelling, facts (such as dates and names), and references. The biggest concern I have are having references. I can't just say something and reference a conversation posted here or at the Smoking Lounge. Dieselpunk has a reputation for not being "notable." There are gaps in the article that I really need to be able to fill if possible.

Be aware I may not use all feedback is given. I do have to decide what fits and what doesn't. If your suggestion isn't used then if Wiki allows it to be posted then you can register and go into and edit like anyone else can.

You will see an example image on the right of the page. Stefan has been so kind as to agree at my request to make one of his fantastic creations to insert there.

Please, I need feedback. After everyone has looked it over and I've made whatever changes are needed then I will send it to the Wiki staff.  

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Good luck with this. Having had past experience with the Wiki gods with the Dr. Steel article and several others I've been involved with, I can tell you it's going to be a tough sell getting a page on dieselpunk to stay. There are more than a few editors and admins with a bias in this arena.

I'll take a look at it when I get some time... I saw a few grammatical issues when I skimmed it earlier, and it could probably stand an editorial rewrite.

Also, Piecraft tried to get one going two years ago; you can see his efforts here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Piecraft/Dieselpunk

You might be able to borrow ideas/references from his page.
My bad, there weren't actually any references on his page, it was mostly opinion.

Ottens tried to get one up a couple of years back as well; I'm looking for any version of his page that might still exist out there in the aether.

EDIT: Apparently, Ottens turned his wikipedia article into the dieselpunk articles found on Gatehouse
http://www.ottens.co.uk/gatehouse/dieselpunk.php (see all the sidebar links here). There are several references at the bottom of the pages that could also be used.

Jonny B. Goode said:
Good luck with this. Having had past experience with the Wiki gods with the Dr. Steel article and several others I've been involved with, I can tell you it's going to be a tough sell getting a page on dieselpunk to stay. There are more than a few editors and admins with a bias in this arena.
I'll take a look at it when I get some time... I saw a few grammatical issues when I skimmed it earlier, and it could probably stand an editorial rewrite.
Also, Piecraft tried to get one going two years ago; you can see his efforts here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Piecraft/Dieselpunk

You might be able to borrow ideas/references from his page.
I like how you describe Ottensian and Piecraftian themes, but you left out the Shaunathanian Theme:

In so much that there's an entire speculative fiction timeline that can be traced back to an assumption that the fall of the Roman Empire happened differently. This is what starts with great machines made by the Greeks,Romans, and Persians which spawn, rather than a Renaissance in Europe in the 1500's a pre-industrial revolution which culminates in the 1700's (Clockpunk).

This then sets the stage for a much stronger Industrial Revolution in the 1800's (Steampunk) Which gives further momentum to industry and innovation that by the time we get to the 20th century WW1 happened so quickly that America does not experience a great depression. This then makes the 20's roar louder and sets up a wonderful Dieselpunk world.

Since the Industrial Revolution had a pre-boom, perhaps the cold war between Capitalism and Socialism did too. This plays in well with an Isolationist United States that is perhaps more for states' rights than federalist due to speculation in Steampunk done by the well known authors of The Difference Engine. This Cold War heats up though which gives us a super massive WW2 which Now brings us to a radioactive crossroads:

1. If the nukes end the war and are used sparingly, we enter the "nuclear age" of Flash Gordian, Buck Rodgers, and we set out in that space exploration filled, hover car jet setting future everyone was promised in the 1950's and 60's.

2. Earth becomes a cinder and we enter a post apocalyptic future.

Either way, technology dumps us into Cyberpunk quite easily depending on how WW2 ends up. And of course after Cyberpunk you get a post human future where human consciousness can be transfered from sentient machine to genetically engineered flesh at will.

So there you have it, this is what would have happened had we not experienced a "dark age" time period and we didn't have a loss of technological knowhow from the ancients. When you look at it like that, perhaps it is WE who are in an alternate time line....Or maybe I'm just crazy :)
Tome and Ottens have both warned me about the uphill battle I'm about to wage. That's why I'm taking so much time and why I'm asking for feedback. Also, since time has passed there are more references I can use that they didn't have access to, which might increase the odds.

I've read Piecraft's User Page and I was rather disappointed by it. That and the fact that there is no single page got me motivated to do this.

I really do need help on any grammatical and other editorial issues. Please let me know when you can.

Jonny B. Goode said:
Good luck with this. Having had past experience with the Wiki gods with the Dr. Steel article and several others I've been involved with, I can tell you it's going to be a tough sell getting a page on dieselpunk to stay. There are more than a few editors and admins with a bias in this arena.

I'll take a look at it when I get some time... I saw a few grammatical issues when I skimmed it earlier, and it could probably stand an editorial rewrite.

Also, Piecraft tried to get one going two years ago; you can see his efforts here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Piecraft/Dieselpunk

You might be able to borrow ideas/references from his page.
clearly I'm crazy. Ok then, Larry, I'll get my friend who's a professional Editor have a look at your page and see what he says. Sound good?
I don't think you're crazy. It's a cool idea. You don't by chance have a reference I could use?

I would love having an editor check it out. Anything that increases the odds of our success would be great. Thanks.

Shaunathan Sprocket said:
clearly I'm crazy. Ok then, Larry, I'll get my friend who's a professional Editor have a look at it and see what he says. Sound good?
One thing I can tell you: It needs to be heavily referenced. And reliable references, not just blogs. It also has to be written in an encyclopedic style with a neutral, non-promotional point of view. That's a skill, a skill I'm still working on myself.
I agree. That's the criticism of dieselpunk. Notability. And it's why I keep begging for references.

Jonny B. Goode said:
One thing I can tell you: It needs to be heavily referenced. And reliable references, not just blogs. It also has to be written in an encyclopedic style with a neutral, non-promotional point of view.
I'll see what I can dig up.
Larry,

I edited the article to make it more consistent with that of an established art movement and removed any soft language could have been misunderstood as opinion. Please take a moment to review and let me know what you think.
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Thanks, Tome! This is exactly the kind of feedback I need. I'll look it over and give you my thoughts.

Everyone keep it coming. Even if you think it's fine as it is, let me know that too.

Something else. Even if Wiki turns it down I can leave this page up because it's MY User Page and I can do what I want (within limits) with it. So we can reference back to it anytime any of us wants to.

Tome Wilson said:
Larry,
I edited the article to make it more consistent with that of an established art movement and removed any soft language could have been misunderstood as opinion. Please take a moment to review and let me know what you think.
Everyone,
I finally got a chance to review Tome's attachment and it's excellent. He took my work, rewrote some of it (though not all) and mixed in some original work of his own, resulting an fantastic product. I'm going to incorporate much of it into the Wiki page. After I've update the Wiki page I will let everyone know so they can provide any additional feedback.

Thank you Tome!

Tome Wilson said:
Larry,

I edited the article to make it more consistent with that of an established art movement and removed any soft language could have been misunderstood as opinion. Please take a moment to review and let me know what you think.

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