They're still debating it, here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2010_Jun...
And one of the mods that's been against it from the start just redirected the page you had to Steampunk. Which I just posted a strongly-worded objection to.
Larry said:Oh well. We knew it was a risk. But one sentence? The old redirect to cyberpunk derivative was better.
Congratulations everyone! According to Wikipedia, we're not real.
Everyone pack up and go home before Dieselpunk implodes on itself from a lack of belief.
I've been looking at editing the material from the recently deleted Dieselpunk article for inclusion into the Retro-futurism article. At first I thought it would be a good fit. After going through the article, I'm not so sure any more.
Retro-futurism, as defined by the article, focuses on the blending of past ("retro") and futuristic (esp. technologically anachronistic or even impossible) elements. Dieselpunk fits the retro part perfectly. But is it really futuristic? The Dieselpunk article listed, as examples of dieselpunk films:
Raiders of the Lost Ark -- Obviously retro, since set in the 1930s, with occult elements; but its futuristic element, if any, is minimal and plot-irrelevant
Dark City -- Retro in style, with a blend of 40s-to-50s styles, with a central sf premise, but one which is non-futuristic and not really related to the retro flavor
Bladerunner -- A cyberpunky adaptation of postmodern sf. Are the Eighties retro now?
Inglourious Basterds -- A '40s setting, but not futuristic or even fantastic at all, except insofar as Quentin Tarantino inhabits his own parallel world :)
Sin City -- Not futuristic, and not even really retro IMHO
Daybreakers -- Just modern sf/horror, minimal 'retro' design elements
Eraserhead -- wtf?
And then in literature there are a bunch of books about an alt-universe Nazi World or occult Nazis, which I think is a totally different genre. I mean, if you define as dieselpunk anything with a World War II flavor, then wouldn't Hogan's Heroes be dieselpunk?
In TV, the Batman and Superman animated series are described as 'deco pulp', which I don't quite see as describing them (stylistically or otherwise), and Caprica is called 'noir dieselpunk', which I can kind of see, at least with regard to the New Cap City segments, but (outside of it being a VR game) the futuristic elements in those are, so far, pretty marginal (e.g., an implausibly armored zeppelin).
Most of these things I'd have a hard time justifying including in the Retro-futurism article. And while there is some material left over, it's alarmingly slim.
I'm left to conclude one of two things: one, the material above isn't really dieselpunk, but is best characterized as inspiring or having a flavor of dieselpunk, and its prominent inclusion in the Dieselpunk article was a stretch; or, two, I don't really have a good handle on what dieselpunk *is*. And I think the latter is at least as likely as the former. But if futurism/technological anachronism isn't really essential to dieselpunk (as it is, I think, to steampunk) then isn't dieselpunk just retro? Or retro with a fantastic/occult twist -- in which case, given that that's the flavor of much of the pulp fiction of the era, isn't it the same as neo-pulp?
I feel like I'm slightly over my head here and I'd appreciate any insights.
Well, each of those movies had varying mixes of retro and future. Personally, I never saw Raiders as dieselpunk. Retro, yes. Dark City -- Retro in style... and set in a giant spaceship ark run by aliens? How is that not futuristic? Blade Runner - set in the future but every element screams a retro noir style, from the cityscapes to the hair styles to the clothing to the lighting to the noir narration. Sin City - a 40's style pulp noir story, but with a post-modern spin and some obvious (albeit behind-the-scenes) futuristic or fantastic elements. Daybreakers - far more than just "minimal" design elements, from what I've seen. Batman - Even Tim Burton said it was designed around a gothic deco look. What today might look like seen through a 1930's lens. And Superman - at least the cartoon - was the bright deco counterpart; Metropolis was meant to be a flip side of Batman's dark Gotham.
As far as the WWII element goes, no, Hogan's Heros wouldn't be considered dieselpunk, because there is no futuristic, fantasical element to it, nothing outside of what was 1940's reality (besides zaniness). But the occult/alt-universe/weird war nazi angle is part of the darker "Piecraft" brand of dieselpunk. I don't have much time at the moment, but sometime in the next week or two I'm going to go through the article that was deleted and try to render it down to just a few short paragraphs so that it can be folded into retro-futurism; I'm sure it'll make a good fit once a lot of the non-"verifiable" stuff has been pared away.