"Whereas steampunk derives from a genre of literature, dieselpunk derives from a genre of art. Some of us came from the steampunk community - but others of us came from the swingpunks and the swing revival (and it's only natural to bring our music with us!), and others of us straight from the art and design community. "
Well, i think that many of the artists came towards dieselpunk because it was already established as a sub-genre of speculative retro-futurist fiction, not the other way around. It would be interesting to see which actually came first, the literature or the music/visual arts/etc. There's surely references somewhere in the internet about this.
I'm brain dead on how to argue for this. Maybe because so much of it was mine. I'm really going to need assistance. :(
I do think that even if it gets completely cancelled on Wikipedia, it should be archived in it's entirety here on Dieselpunks.org.
Larry said:I'm brain dead on how to argue for this. Maybe because so much of it was mine. I'm really going to need assistance. :(
It's going to be an uphill fight but I'll help out as best I can. I've been scouring the web looking for references to dieselpunk and trying to tie it in more securely with lowbrow art, etc. It seems that everyone in the lowbrow art community and the dieselpunk community both just took it as a "given"... but that makes it hard to reference. (I also think it's somewhat unfortunate that we have the -punk moniker, because no matter what we do, because of that we're going to always be thought of as steampunk's poor stepchild.
At least it wasn't speedily deleted.
What happens now is that page will stay up for a time (I think it's 30 days, but I could be wrong. Or seven days if nobody makes any objections, iirc.); anyone is open to go into that page and post, make an argument for or against, and vote to keep or delete. (Or merge with another article...) At the end of the alotted time, the Wikipedia admins will make a decision based on the consensus of the discussion.
Suggestion: Why don't we rewrite the page somewhat, so that we move the subculture part toward the bottom of the page, since we're trying to emphasize the art form more?
Update: I just did so. If anyone doesn't like it that way, it can be undone. Also, I added atompunk to the page, since the two art forms are related and sometimes cross over.
On the references issue. I've got a friend at work who's mostly steampunk but shares some interest in diesel. He's working on his Masters and he said that "blogs, journals, forums, or other self-published sources" are considered valid in academic circles. I'm going to ask him to find me a source.
Also, this statement, "One of them even relies on a deleted version of the nominated article." I have no idea what that person is referencing to.