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Several of the discussions here reminded me of this article at The Gatehouse,"The Two Flavors of Dieselpunk." In an excerpt from the article:
Elaborating upon the observations of The Flying Fortress about the genre, we have established two kinds of dieselpunk, differing in setting, style and influence. The “Ottensian,” of which Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow (2004) is representative, is typically set in a 1930s that was never bothered by a Great Depression and is therefore more of a continuation of the Roaring Twenties; its optimism and excitement only strengthened by further progress. This buoyant and most pervasive of “Ottensian” dieselpunk shares its era with more film noir-styled, hard-boiled detective stories such as The Shadow (1994) and The Big O, which depict the negative effects of the era’s laissez-faire attitude: the rise of totalitarianism, technocratic perception, and the “grit and oil [and] dust and mud”5 of pollution.

On the other side of World War II we find the “Piecraftian” dieselpunk, shaped by an alternate outcome of the war: often Axis victory but sometimes a three-way Cold War reminiscent of Nineteen-Eighty-Four. Either way, the war is typically depicted as having been prolonged with advanced technologies based upon real-world Nazi experiments with rocketry, jet aircraft, and eugenics and the occult. Sometimes the “Piecraftian” is set during the later stages of the war, as is the case with video games like Return to Castle Wolfenstein (2001) and War Front: Turning Point (2007). Often, however, it is characterized by dystopia and nuclear paranoia, and the development of evermore agressive technologies of war and the conquest of space by Nazi-Germany—in Philip K. Dick’s The Man in the High Castle (1962) and Energia Productions’s Iron Sky (2008).

Finally, the darker side of the “Piecraftian” is truly hopeless, for in the post-apocalyptic environments of Mad Max (1979), Radioactive Dreams (1985), Yukito Kishiro’s Battle Angel Alita and Kevin Costner’s Waterworld (1995), there is no chance of recovery, no hope for a better future; only an everlasting struggle for survival.


I consider myself Ottensian Dieselpunk. I was wondering in which category other's considered themselves.

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I tend to stick to the Great Depression and add surrealism and futurism into the mix, but if I had to conform to one of these two presented types, I'd say Piecraftian-the darker side.
I'd be interested in seeing some of your costuming. Sounds to me like a retro-futuristic spin on "O Brother Where Art Thou", something like that?

As for me, I've always been the dapper chap, and seeped in Swing and big city Blues, so I fall into the Ottensian camp.
Me personally I like the darkness and asthetic of the war years the concepts of loyalty, honour , hope but mostly the idea of things greater then yourselves so for me it would be the piecraftian dieselpunk
BOTH. Simultaneously. Somehow.

That's not cheating, is it? I just love both, and cannot help it!
I like both, but I can't quite fit into the dark mold. :)
Piecraftian. I tend to view both the future and the present as bereft of hope, but still struggle on as best as I can under the circumstances; a broken man in a broken world, but still fighting.
Sure one can enjoy both. Even at the same time. I didn't mean to imply limits on self-expression. I was just attempting to understand the genre and curious to know the other members of the board better.
I like both. I have more creative ability with ottensian dieselpunk, though I enjoy piecraftian a lot (given its the "sub-sub-genre" that has more predominance as of now)
Though I like the visual side of Ottensian Dieselpunk like in "Sky Cpt.", the whole film noir setting etc. a lot, I much more love Piecraftian DP stuff. I just dig the darker, dirtier and war-themed atmosphere with it's whole pulpy weird war stories, approaches like in Hellboy and Indy where war issues are merged with occult/esoteric influences. You know - all that "mad nazis searching to summon ancient magic to rule the world" stuff ;-)
The "Iron Sky" movie just feels like being made for me, so to say ;-)

Novels like "The Judas Cross", "The Spear", "The Bloody Red Baron", comics like "Hellboy", "BPRD", "War of the Undead", "The Life Eaters", the "Fallout" and "Wolfenstein" video game stuff etc. just are my personal fave direction.

This direction to me personally culminates in board games like "Tannhäuser" and "AE WWII Occult Expansion" (will do a topic in the games section soon).
I dress piecraftian, I live ottensian.
I see myself more of an Ottensian. I actually started going to college to become a private eye just because I grew up reading Sam Spade, Philip Marlow, and Tex Murphy. So I guess that's why I tend to dress more P.I. and tend to act the role. lol
i tend to be more piecraftian on my wardrobe and music wise (if it can be such thing) but at the same time i tend to the ottensian side, mostly because i think there's still hope for a better future of sorts, but as of lately ive been trying to mix in both types, at least wardrobe wise, results have been interesting, to say the least.. also I have this question: a kilt where does it fit in the scheme of things, accessorizing it (making it more of a cargo kilt), could go both ways, but still not sure..
Humberto

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