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For awhile now people have contacted me about publishing their short stories. There also seems to be more and more posts about this subject on th site. Ever since I posted the ePub primer here in dieselpunks.org, I've been thinking about initiating A group publishing / marketing experiment. Anyone who wants to participle is welcome.

What if we published our own Dieselpunk Anthology?

For now, we will on plan on making one book only. We could distribute it here and/or in all of the ebookstores. It could be a free ebook or we could sell it and use all the proceeds to fund the hosting for this website. I haven't discussed this with Tome but i suspect he'll be interested. We will decide on this before publishing .

As I was thinking about it, i was trying not to get bogged by down by too many rules. the simpler it is the more likely it is to get done, but I know we need some kind of framework to operate within.

** So these are guidelines i came up with…

1 Something diesel. the individual writer decides what the phrase means to them.
2 a story shouldn't be more than 20 pages?
3 poetry is welcomed
4 whatever you create, it should be complete/self-contained/stand-alone idea.
5 you have to do your own editing
6 whoever writes something for the ebook is in the ebook.
7 the individual is responsible for their own copyrights.
8 it has to be original material (as in, it can't be a Shadow reprint)
9 the stories will be in random order in the anthology
10 text only
11 use your existing characters in these short stories if you want to.
12 ebook only

** What would the terms be?

once the ebook is live you can't pull your stuff out, but you can publish your material wherever else you want, since you are the copyright holder.

** what is John Picha willing to put in?

- the cover
- one of the stories.
- I may be willing to fork over one of my open ISBNS (but i have to think more about this one)
- I'll make the epub and mobi finals.
- I'll handle the introduction
- I'll keep everything as simple and as un-sticky as possible.
- I'll get the final on every ebookstore possible.
- answer any questions.

** Who will publish the Dieselpunk Anthology and ePulp Sampler?

I don't want to do this through my accounts, but it can. I'd prefer to see if we can make a dieselpunks account on smashwords just to keep everything simple. I'll discuss this with tome.

** What would it cost to make and publish?

- the cost of an ISBN. it would be about $20 if we used one of mine. not $20 bucks each $20s period. there is a legal entanglement when using the 'free' isbns in smashwords that we should avoid. (if you're familiar with the smashwords contract I'm referring to the indemnity clause.)

** What are the goals?

This experiment can be for fun but also a promotional space for existing series as well a tool to build dieselpunk awareness.

After each story the writer can have a promo-space to direct others to more of their work something like...

"be sure to look for more "adventures of "X" on your favorite iBookstore."

I'm not too worried about making a lot of rules for this part, just think of it as an ad for yourself, just don't make to too long. ha ha. as you're thinking about options remember the same text will be in the books on all the bookstores. feel free to put urls, but not active links.

** wrapping up

Ok that should be enough to get the ball rolling.

basically this little scheme is a learning experience, a showcase, a promotional opportunity and chance to support this website and our community.

- If you're interested just let us know then start writing something.
- There is no approval process.
- it's not a contest it's an experiment.
- Whoever writes something is in.
- Every time we need an unbiased choice I'll roll a six sided dice to decide.

If we can get all the stories in before new years day we can release the book in early January 2013.

If you have any questions, just let me know. this could be a lot of fun.

Ladies and gentlemen, start your typing.

john

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I'm interested. I already have a Troubleshooter short that I can use, or I can create something new. What's the timeline for submissions?

John,

interesting idea - just a few questions & a comment:

Copyright & ownership - Will writers own the copyright  to there stories & characters ?

have you thought of using a creative commons license for the book?

my one comment is - the project should find a editor...self editing is not a good idea for 99.9 % of published writers (Thomas Harris being the only one I know of who gets published as submitted) 

I am interested in this ... lets see what others think 

Bard,

welcome aboard.

as long as we get all the read-to-go stories before jan 1st we can knock get can publish the ebook in january.

john

Doc,

Thanks for the input and welcome aboard.

** On editing

I guess I should have 'edited' my editing comment a little more carefully. Ha ha. I said
"5. you have to do your own editing"

I should have stated it more like this, "the individual participants are responsible for their own editing. They don't have to actually do to themselves, they can have anyone do it. they are just responsible for it getting done, if that's what they want."

If anyone wants to offer/volunteer that service on an individual basis, feel free.

Whatever the contributor submits as their final story, if they are happy with it, I'll put it in the in final ebook.

** On copyright & ownership

"Copyright & ownership - Will writers own the copyright to there stories & characters ?"

Basically I just don't want to police this. This is an 'individual responsibility' requirement and it's only as important to me as it is to the individual. We can add a blurb in the beginning of the anthology that says something like…

"All stores are the copyright and property of the individual authors and are published here with permission.'

or we can add a detailed list like this…

"Pandora Driver: Nightmare Alley" © Copyright 2012 John Picha. Reprinted with permission., "The Greatest Story Ever Told" © Copyright 2012 Kevin. "Doc" DiVico Reprinted with permission., etc etc.

My advice is for anyone who is concerned about protecting their 'intellectual property' go the copyright section of the ePub primer I posted, and submit your story to the copyright office and get your certificate. You will be completely covered. I think it's only $30 to do it online and it's really easy.

http://www.dieselpunks.org/group/authors/forum/topics/welcome-to-jo...

** On creative commons

"have you thought of using a creative commons license for the book?"

I was originally thinking of making a simpler individual agreement something like this…

- I (your name) and the rightful owner of (title of story) and my give permission to include said work in the dieselpunk anthology in perpetuity
- I understand that any revenue generated from the sales of the dieselpunk anthology will go only to the maintenance/sustenance of dieselpunks.org. I relinquish any to claim to any revenue that may be gained but the sale of the dieselpunk anthology. (if this is the route we go)
- I understand that i am responsible for the copyright of my own maerial.
- I understand that even though my work will be included in the dieselpunk anthology it is a non-exclusive commitment.

But if everyone would feel more secure with a creative commons license, it's fine with me. Doc do you have a template we could work from? If so, can you send it to me or post it?

Takejohn3@yahoo.com

john

Bard, 

this...

" as long as we get all the read-to-go stories before jan 1st we can knock get can publish the ebook in january."

was supposed to be...

"as long as we get all the read-to-go stories before jan 1st we can knock it out, and publish the ebook in january"

ha ha

john

This is fantastic, John. Excellent!

Here is the cover...

Attachments:

HI John,

I am sure you want honest communications and constructive criticism.  That said, its your design that you volunteered to do which is a great in and of itself.

The cover communicates the following to me (this is my opinion only) 

Military green aircraft or possibly tank - combined with Dieselpunk title makes me think all the stories contained will most likely be related to WWII or alternative WWII stories. 

Fonts: 

I like the font you choose for Dieselpunk - the 2013 font - I understand the choice but it does not sit right with me.  Too rounded - makes me think of cargo crates. 

Just my two cents - which doesn't even get a cup of joe anymore...:-)


John Picha said:

Here is the cover...

Jon,

thanks for clearing up the editing - yes, I whole heatedly agree,

I like the idea of making it a simple contract.  K.I.S.S. is a fine way to live :-)

One change I think would be good - 

- I understand that any revenue generated from the sales of the dieselpunk anthology will go only to the             maintenance/sustenance of dieselpunks.org. I relinquish any to claim to any revenue that may be gained but the sale of the dieselpunk anthology. (if this is the route we go)

May I suggest the following rewrite - 

- I relinquish any & all claims to any/all revenue that may be generated by the sale of the EPUB named the dieselpunk anthology (showcase?) ISBN # xxxxxxxx.   I understand that any revenue generated from the sale of the dieselpunk anthology will go only to the maintenance/sustenance of dieselpunks.org website. 

This contract only pertains to the EPUB/publication of the dieselpunk anthology (showcase?) ISBN # xxxxxxxx the author can also publish his or her story in other publications in the future.  All other rights (Media, new Media, transmedia, Augmented reality, etc)  remain with the author

:-)

If you want help on the contract let me know, I do a bit of business management for Authors and Artists from time to time :-) 

Doc


John Picha said:

Doc,

Thanks for the input and welcome aboard.

** On editing

I guess I should have 'edited' my editing comment a little more carefully. Ha ha. I said
"5. you have to do your own editing"

I should have stated it more like this, "the individual participants are responsible for their own editing. They don't have to actually do to themselves, they can have anyone do it. they are just responsible for it getting done, if that's what they want."

If anyone wants to offer/volunteer that service on an individual basis, feel free.

Whatever the contributor submits as their final story, if they are happy with it, I'll put it in the in final ebook.

** On copyright & ownership

"Copyright & ownership - Will writers own the copyright to there stories & characters ?"

Basically I just don't want to police this. This is an 'individual responsibility' requirement and it's only as important to me as it is to the individual. We can add a blurb in the beginning of the anthology that says something like…

"All stores are the copyright and property of the individual authors and are published here with permission.'

or we can add a detailed list like this…

"Pandora Driver: Nightmare Alley" © Copyright 2012 John Picha. Reprinted with permission., "The Greatest Story Ever Told" © Copyright 2012 Kevin. "Doc" DiVico Reprinted with permission., etc etc.

My advice is for anyone who is concerned about protecting their 'intellectual property' go the copyright section of the ePub primer I posted, and submit your story to the copyright office and get your certificate. You will be completely covered. I think it's only $30 to do it online and it's really easy.

http://www.dieselpunks.org/group/authors/forum/topics/welcome-to-jo...

** On creative commons

"have you thought of using a creative commons license for the book?"

I was originally thinking of making a simpler individual agreement something like this…

- I (your name) and the rightful owner of (title of story) and my give permission to include said work in the dieselpunk anthology in perpetuity
- I understand that any revenue generated from the sales of the dieselpunk anthology will go only to the maintenance/sustenance of dieselpunks.org. I relinquish any to claim to any revenue that may be gained but the sale of the dieselpunk anthology. (if this is the route we go)
- I understand that i am responsible for the copyright of my own maerial.
- I understand that even though my work will be included in the dieselpunk anthology it is a non-exclusive commitment.

But if everyone would feel more secure with a creative commons license, it's fine with me. Doc do you have a template we could work from? If so, can you send it to me or post it?

Takejohn3@yahoo.com

john

Yeah I'm interested. Should be fun.

Just for clarification: for those of us who work by word count, what would 20 pages be? I've learnt that everyone has a different formatting regime re: line spacing, font etc.

 

Hi grant

Lots of different opinions on this one - I have seen 20K words and I have seen 5K words (double space MS format) so I consulted my friend CJ Henderson (http://cjhenderson.com/) and ...

got his answering machine! LOL :-)

so awaiting word back from him...


Grant Gardiner said:

Yeah I'm interested. Should be fun.

Just for clarification: for those of us who work by word count, what would 20 pages be? I've learnt that everyone has a different formatting regime re: line spacing, font etc.

 

Grant,

Here are some numbers to help orient everyone in the anthology writing space.

Out of curiosity, I opened one of my ebooks in iBooks to see where page 20 landed. Then I went to the original word document and checked of the number count up to that point. Here is is what I found…

A 20 pages in word doc, with 1" margin on the top and bottom and 1.25" on the right and left, and 18pt times in a single-spaced with one line return between paragraphs = 4225 words.

Now keep in mind, this word count is not draconian law, and I'm not worried about counting words. the 20 pages is just an arbitrary ceiling I identified to get the ball rolling and so one single epic tale doesn't dominate our ebook. If a story ended up at 100 of 4226 or 5000, no one will be outcast. ha ha.

Does this sound good?

John

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