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This is a cross posting from the Dieselpunk group.

It seems to me that we need a good article dedicated to dieselpunk in
Wikipedia. Currently if you search the keyword "dieselpunk" in Wiki you
just get it as a derivative in the article "Cyberpunk derivatives:"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieselpunk#Dieselpunk

"Initially proposed as a genre by the creators of the role-playing game
Children of the Sun,[15] dieselpunk refers to fiction inspired by
mid-century pulp and set in a world similar to steampunk though
specifically characterized by the rise of petroleum power and
technocratic perception, incorporating neo-noir elements and sharing
themes more with cyberpunk than steampunk.[16] Though the notability of
dieselpunk as a genre is not entirely uncontested, installments ranging
from the retro-futuristic film Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow to
the 2009 animation film 9 have been suggested as quintessential works of
dieselpunk fiction.[17][18] Video game titles in the dieselpunk genre
range from Activision's Return to Castle Wolfenstein to Sega's Valkyria
Chronicles."


Personally, I think that sucks. So I'm trying to put write a Wiki
article just for Dieselpunk. I was wondering if anyone here would be
willing to lend a hand?

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Comment by RPM Orchestra on May 2, 2010 at 12:44pm
I find piecraft's article informative with some great references but I disagree with his basic premise of dieselpunk being a "manipulation on an alternate, future 1950s from the developed technology and society of the 1930's, where the Great Depression never arrived thus World War II is still being fought as a prolonged Cold War."

Not to say elements of the 1950s don't seep in but, at least in my opinion, the beginning of the end for dieselpunk comes with the two atomic bombings against Japan in 1945.

I see it drawing much more from the influences (and consequences) of the Great War (1914-1918), the Prohibition era (1920-1933), the Great Depression (1929-1936), and the recession of 1937-38 with a shift towards recovery as the events of WWII (1939-1945) unfolded.

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Comment by Larry on May 2, 2010 at 11:26am
Thank you to everyone, especially Athenaprime, for your offer of support. Together if we write this well enough we just might get lucky this time.

Lord_K posted this link about an article in Wiki. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Piecraft/Dieselpunk It's placed under the User Talk: Piecraft. Lord_K, do you think this is Mr. Piecraft himself? If so are you in contact with him where he might be willing to help us?

Ottens, I really want to quote your material heavily because in many ways I think it's authoritative and has played a role in the development. Piecraft's work as well. IMHO, the Gatehouse is playing an important role in our genre.

Tome, thanks for the feedback. That will help greatly. It is interesting though to see how many articles there are in which there are few references and while they place a disclaimer they allow them to continue. Also, same here as Ottens. I think dieselpunks.org is a good reference that I plan to use.
Comment by Athenaprime on May 2, 2010 at 10:57am
I've never tried submitting anything to wikipedia, but I'm willing to lend a hand. Judging by some of the newer releases in commercial fiction, I'd say the dieselpunk subgenre might get traction via being a literary niche?
Comment by Ottens on May 2, 2010 at 8:32am
I applaud your effort but must warn you. I've tried twice to get a Dieselpunk entry on Wikipedia approved, but both times, the Wiki bureaucrats decided the genre wasn't "notable" enough to deserve its own article.
Comment by Tome Wilson on May 1, 2010 at 11:19pm
Hi Larry,

Why don't you draft an article in the Projects forum, and we'll all chip in. When it comes to wiki, they tend to delete any article based upon original research (which they see as "opinion"). The only way around this is to cite other sources. So, if you say "dieselpunk is blah blah blah..." those can't be your own words. It has to be said someplace else and referenced back into the article via the links at the bottom.

Since I've already launched a number of wiki articles that have been shot down by their admins, I think I'm on their shitlist regardless of what I post now. However, it is safe to cite Dieselpunks.org as a source of information.

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